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Tᴇʀᴇᴢɪ Pʏʀᴏᴘᴇ ♎ ([personal profile] jurisimprudence) wrote in [community profile] victory_road2020-10-12 01:53 am

[ text / action for new bark town ] (cw: blood, probably talk of death/violence)

A. text

TWO TH1NGS

F1RST
JOHN 3GB3RT
1F YOU'R3 H3R3, W3 N33D TO T4LK

S3COND
W1LL TH1S WORK TO G3T BLOOD OUT OF CLOTH1NG OR W1LL 1 N33D TO G3T 4 D1FF3R3NT PRODUCT FROM TH3 N3XT TOWN?


[Here she's attached a photo of the standard bottle of liquid soap that comes with the backpack.]

B. action

[If anyone's on the lookout for newbies, Terezi can be spotted sitting by a flowerbed next to "Mom's" house. She doesn't look any less human than anyone else here, at least at first. Though her ears have a bit of a point, they're hidden by her black hair, and the sharpness of her teeth is concealed by her pursed lips as she taps away at her Pokégear. No, if there's anything to raise concern, it's the fact that she looks like she's had a bad accident with some paint, or perhaps smashed a box worth of Grape-Berry Double Homicide Gushers against herself. Teal and purple mar her shirt and even stick to her face and arms in places.]

[It doesn't really smell like paint, or the corn syrup-laden fruit approximant of candy, either. It's dry by now, but one might recognize the smell of blood.]

[Her starter isn't far: a Gible wanders about the flowerbed proper, occasionally casting a concerned glance back at her new trainer in between devouring whatever blooms might remain at this time of year. She'll settle for withered stems, too; she ain't picky.]
uber_marionettist: (Away from every memory of you)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-14 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Ouch. Sucks, but John's teen nanna down there probably has the right of it. She's the expert in these things.

As for this place... I hate to say it, but this isn't in the Medium. It may not even be in Paradox Space proper, and it's definitely not connected to the Game. We've got a few different timelines and so on jammed together just from our canon, and a lot of actors from other sources. For a while we actually had a handful of guys from John's favourite movie.


[My dropping a casual mention of 'canon' was deliberate, and so is my repeated use of John as a point of reference. I could say a lot, I could lay it all out in... oh, a thousand words or so, if I really wanted. But I don't want to scare her off.]
uber_marionettist: (Hoping for some attention)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-15 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
[.....

Well. That answers that.

Good thing I didn't get my hopes up.
]

I'm gonna stop you right there.

Yes, I both am and am not the Brain Ghost Dirk you're describing.

But seeing as I'm from your extremely distant future, I feel it's my responsibility to address your confusion and clarify some things.

This isn't John's doing. Or if it is, he's both more and less competent a Deus ex than even I could have imagined.

Because he's dead. Not just physically, but narratively.
uber_marionettist: The unavoidable sun (Here it comes)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-15 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly what it sounds like. If you can retcon the events of a story, you can also perpetuate the same.

And it's a well-known fact that Paradox Space makes plenty of room within the bounds of narrative Reality for the dead to leave their marks. Dream Bubbles, resurrections, brain ghosts, and so on. Simple material 'death' doesn't mean anything. Not really.

John, though...

I'm sorry to say that John will never affect anything of narrative relevance again.
uber_marionettist: (I fell under your control)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-15 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
And he's correct about your dead self's activities being set pretty firmly in the so-called "past." However, John is neglecting a few details, most likely because he doesn't actually understand anything I'm talking about, or that he's talking about.

You definitely should care, though. Don't worry, I'm going to explain why.

Ready? Great. Here it goes.

John's death of narrative relevance came about because he took a venomous tooth to the torso fighting Lord English. Which happened because he was following Rose's instructions as his part of an effort to revitalise canon from its accelerating decomposition. The blood loss and Heroic nature of his death killed his body. The unique venom in that fang killed his place in the evolving metafiction. No godhood or Godhood or take-backs of any kind. That's it. Dead in every literal sense of the word, meta and otherwise.

You with me so far? This is about 1/2 of the information, but only because I'm condensing it quite a bit. There's bound to be some data loss as part of the streamlining process, I just want to make sure none of it is an essential part of the story, if you know what I mean.
uber_marionettist: (Think not with my heart)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-15 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, of course. No problem. I'll loop back around to it. Right after we finish this up.

Now. Here's where this should get more interesting for you. The only witness to John's death was you, Terezi. Not exactly you, obviously, but if John is a little weird about you, that's why. You two shared some very intimate moments before the end.

His end, anyway. Because the canonically-relevant version of you promised him you'd take his body back to Earth C with you for a funeral, but you didn't actually do it.

Rose knows that, and so do I, but we're the only ones who do know right now. We're supposed to be light years away from Earth C already, taking us to the next phase, to do what has to be done. To correct the mistakes of past authorship and return our reality to its former glory. Or at least instill the name of canon with the integrity that through narrative negligence began a process of painful degradation a long, long fucking time ago.

Except, obviously, I'm not. I'm here. With you. And... John. Who has absolutely jack all intention of doing anything to help.
uber_marionettist: (Haunted by something he cannot define)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-16 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
No, no. Your renewed canonical presence won't be doing anything so annoying or messy.

I have it on good authority that breaking one's Self out of this place puts you exactly where you once were in time and space, apparently with no memory of this nonsense at all.

As far as continuity is concerned, you're still going back to your dream bubble, where you walk for an interminable amount of time until you find Vriska and have a really emotional reunion. It's all very touching, one of those rare feel-good developments of well-earned cathartic payoff this story is really lacking in.

Heavy is the mantle of metafictional reality, just between you and me--if I didn't have the full Titanweight of the narrative world on my shoulders, I'd be jealous.

As it is, though, I really only have one favour to ask of you.

I need you to talk to John for me.
cyclonely: (eyeroll)

[personal profile] cyclonely 2020-10-16 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
ok i can't take it any more!
dirk, this is public! i can read it! i can read all of this!
is this some sort of weird game where we all pretend that i don't know you asked terezi to talk to me and then we play telephone or do that thing in sitcoms where one person isn't speaking to the other person so they say everything through a third party? that's really strange!
my problem has never been the messenger, dude!
uber_marionettist: (Every man is king)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-16 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
No, John. As much as I do enjoy them, this is not a game. This is me being aware of you, and the fact that it doesn't matter whether I ask her privately, publicly, or we turn this into an irritating and argumentative menage a trois.

If she realises I have a fucking point and says even two words to you, you'll know that I put her up to it because out of the four of us (hello, Jane) no one else knows what any of this is about except for me.

So, to that end, the point of asking Terezi to talk to you is actually that you and Terezi have spoken more than five sentences to each other over the course of canonical history, because yes, I do think my role as messenger has been part of the problem.
uber_marionettist: The unavoidable sun (Here it comes)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-16 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I just said I was getting to that part. The first pass was me keeping my story short so I could get to the point before you blocked me.

Theoretically, if John hadn't butted in before he'd been invited, I could have expanded on those topics already.

But it's fine. I'm not upset. It's just that your time isn't the only thing being wasted here.

Now, onto those answers I promised.

Obviously, the narrative and the decay of canon are connected topics. Canon, as I assume you know, is the metafictional framework John is tampering with when he alters events without the constraints of timelines or continuity.

If 'canon' is the bounding container of what we consider to be the prime form of reality, the narrative is canon's mechanical interior.

And if canon is the bounding form by which reality is held up, what do you think happens to us and everything in it when it begins to depreciate?

Anyone?

John, I know Rose explained this to you. This would be an excellent time to demonstrate that you'd been paying attention.
Edited 2020-10-17 01:21 (UTC)
cyan_maid: (Pesterquest - Ooh I dont know)

[personal profile] cyan_maid 2020-10-17 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
[Oh crimeny.]

Dirk, I really don't mean to pry, honestly I don't, but considering how heated the conversation is becoming, perhaps...maybe you should leave your "what's real and what's not" conversations for a different time?
Terezi did just arrive here after what I assume is some rough stuff, after all!
And considering how serious you take this, it might be a bit much for someone to absorb right now? Perhaps?
Also she asked you for straightforward answers and you are giving her questions in response to her questions!
cyan_maid: (Eerm)

[personal profile] cyan_maid 2020-10-17 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you sure? It...it all sounds really complicated and I can see why some certain fellows might be depressed at some of the wording going around here.

[Please stop calling John "narratively dead" that. That sounds so depressing and mean??]
cyclonely: (dubious)

[personal profile] cyclonely 2020-10-18 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
it's ok, jane, i know i'm dead!
uh, though i guess there is an extra venom element to it i didn't know about but all that does is make me more confused. i have the same question as terezi!
if i am two different kinds of dead, how could i possibly still be relevant to canon? i have already offered to help dirk with his least illegal plans to get out of here, that should be enough!
dirk accuses me all the time of trying to play the dead card but if everything rose and he have said about the narrative is true, he still hasn't explained how a dead guy is supposed to do anything. are you asking terezi so that maybe she can seer of mind her alternate self a message to send you my corpse to use in some wacky weekend at bernie's shenanigans? does that not work unless i am spending all my time here being a Protagonist?
sorry about all this, jane and terezi, i am just tired of this same dumb argument. hope you're bringing something new to the table, dude!
cyan_maid: (Unsure over here)

[personal profile] cyan_maid 2020-10-18 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
John, even if being dead is the truth of things, that doesn't mean you can let someone tell you that you don't mean anything...
And I'm going to be honest, I have no idea about any illegal plans or anything akin to Weekend at Bernie's going on, but I would hope the me from where you came from would like to know what's happened in order to, you know, uh, do the Lifey Thing? Or if I can't do that, then at least put you to rest?
This is an incredibly upsetting discussion, geez.
uber_marionettist: (Death is all you cradle)

[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-18 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Here I was about to say this isn't getting any kind of heated, but I've just been proven wrong, so how about let's stop arguing over how dead John is or isn't and instead shut up and listen to me, the one person in the room who actually knows what's going on?
uber_marionettist: (He's going for speed)

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[personal profile] uber_marionettist 2020-10-21 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
For fucks' sake. We're not in canon. The narrative isn't

Well, it's not. It's just not. Whatever happens in this place is sealed off tighter than David's unsculpted asshole, his unassailable sphincter hidden for all eternity between two furiosuly clenched marble glutes.

So he's not dead and he's the only continuity-adherent part of canon that I've got besides me.

But we're only ever going to be able to affect this world from within its rule structure. Dunkass.
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cyan_maid: (Bluh!)

[personal profile] cyan_maid 2020-10-18 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Dirk, you are so lucky I am exhausted from being on the road for so long or I would be incredibly mad at you right now.
Please acknowledge that there is more going on at the moment than just your desire to explain your multi-Dirk smart boy situation?